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OMG, when all else fails resort to the conspiracy theory .... NT if you agree with Arc, then you must agree his thread was started before yours, which you have already said was not the case. You must also agree his thread was deleted, which is not the case since the number of posts and views increased with your thread accordingly. If you want Arc's post to be first delete yours prior to his and I will ask any other posters to do the same after that. Other than that there is nothing more to discuss, IMO.

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Arc and Ante,

I understand why you feel defensive about the pro animal use/abuse posters on this Board but I am sure that this action has nothing whatever to do with politics. You might argue that merging threads is over-controlling: that's an arguable point of view but I'm certain that Wayne was, as he said, taking admin action only. Could we not solve the problem arc, by placing a reference to your action list at the beginning of the thread (you know, a "see below", statement)? Would you agree to that Ante?

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I have just edited the introductory post of Seal Clubbing thread (13 times). I do not have time to play games. I do not post here for entertainment, ego trip, to flirt or to date. I am deeply concerned about animal suffering and have been trying to use this forum to this aim. If administration of this forum is going to intentionally and continuously make this difficult then, I hate to sound rude, but you can .....

As of this forum being taken over and dominated by anti-AR/AL people there is nothing theoretical about this. One just needs to count and see what is obvious.

Here is the edited version of the first post of the thread in question. I hope you like it:

STOP Canada's Massive Seal Hunt

http://www.protectseals.org/

Make Canada's Fishing Industry Pay the Price
Even though most Canadians oppose the commercial seal hunt, their government and seafood industry continue to support the slaughter. The ProtectSeals campaign believes that while Canadian officials can afford to ignore the public outcry, they will ultimately listen when money talks. So far, nearly 140,000 individuals from around the world, and more than 400 restaurants and other businesses, have pledged to boycott some or all Canadian seafood until the hunt is ended.

Don't Buy While Seals Die: Boycott Canadian Seafood. Help save baby seals by signing the pledge to boycott Canadian seafood. (Don't worry, once you've signed we'll tell you how to spot Canadian seafood.)

Click at the link below to read more and to help:

http://www.protectseals.org/

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PS Arc108 thread on this barbaric horror of seal clubbing has been edited, its introductory post buried near the end of this page and merged with this thread by the administration.

IMO, this is one more attempt to discredit confuse and downplay AR, AL (radical animal welferisam) views and to divide people that genuinely care about animals.

Animal pro use and exploitation element has taken over this forum. This is not a conspiracy theory as has been stated by pro user moderator (surprise :wink: ), but an obvious observable reality.

This is to be expected. Multi-billion dollars Animal Users Industries have a lot at stake. They have been organizing themselves and defending themselves (National Animal Interest Alliance NAIA e.g.). They have a lot of cash to shell out to protect their interests. They do not want the change. They want to continue using, exploiting and abusing animals as it best suits their multi-national, multi-billion dollars business enterprises.



To see Arc108 thread as it has been compromised by the administration you have to go to the near of the bottom of this page.

There you will find many more links to, information, photos, petitions etc. regarding this barbaric seal hunt.



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As of this forum being taken over and dominated by anti-AR/AL people there is nothing theoretical about this. One just needs to count and see what is obvious.


I'm afraid that animal rights supporters will be outnumbered wherever you go, you might as well get used to that, NT.


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Maybe you should have looked at the rules a little more closely before you went through all of that work. I do not plan action myself since this has been blown well out of proportion and it can be argued whether the usage is excessive, but that does not mean the rules were not violated nor that action will not be taken. This is just a friendly notice on my part.

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Members should post in a way that is consistent with "normal writing". That is users should not post excessive numbers of emoticons, large, small or coloured text, etc. Similarly users should not SHOUT or use emphatic punctuation marks such as ! and ? in topic titles or posts.

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As of this forum being taken over and dominated by anti-AR/AL people there is nothing theoretical about this. One just needs to count and see what is obvious.


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I'm afraid that animal rights supporters will be outnumbered wherever you go, you might as well get used to that, NT.


The use of the term, "outnumbered", is instructive Oinks. But you are right. Proponents of the status quo (who appear to have no concern at all for the plight of animals) do in fact outnumber animal advocates on this Board. That is very odd because this Board is supposed to be a discussion board for. "animal concerns issues", and one might have anticipated that posters would be, predominantly, people who were concerned about the plight of animals.

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Multi-billion dollars Animal Users Industries have a lot at stake. They have been organizing themselves and defending themselves (National Animal Interest Alliance NAIA e.g.). They have a lot of cash to shell out to protect their interests. They do not want the change. They want to continue using, exploiting and abusing animals as it best suits their multi-national, multi-billion dollars business enterprises


That's undeniably true Nt. It is also undeniably true that almost every animal advocate post to this Board is subject to to what appears to be an orchestrated attack from supporters of the status quo. It doesn't follow, however, that there is any actual conspiracy (paid or unpaid) and it doesn't follow that every apparently adverse administrative action taken here is sabotage.

So, can we please shelve the discussion of conspiracy theory for another time, consider the procedural matter and see if we can resolve it? What is wrong with merging threads? Is it always undesirable? Would this problem have not arisen had there been prior consultation? What do you and others think admin should do in future?

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Post moved to Animal concerns forum.


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I'm just back from vacation, which I've been on for the past 9 days, which explains my silence on the issue. I see nothing wrong with merging two threads with identical content.

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Welcome back Josh, I hope you enjoyed your vacation. Just one thought on this. It isn't all about content. Process is important too. The order of presentation of material can be important and I think that was Arc's point. I think that is valid. In any case what's wrong with having two posts' on the same subject. If there is any confusion the second Poster could be asked to change the name of his/her post.

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